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n_dawg
10-17-2008, 10:07 PM
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Highly Efficient Stupidity

Posted by Shannon Love on October 15th, 2008 (All posts by Shannon Love)

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Like most “alternative” energy projects, this “car” is simply stupid. [h/t Instapundit] [More Details]

Here’s the fundamental problem: they designed the car backwards.


When you begin the design of any piece of technology, from cars to medicine to software, you begin with the functionality it will provide. A piece of technology allows you to do something you could not do without it. In technology, form always follows function.

They began with the idea of producing a vehicle that used a minimal amount of fuel. Hooray! Unfortunately, people don’t buy cars to save fuel. They buy cars to accomplish specific transportation tasks. If the car can’t perform the task, then it is useless, even if it is powered by perpetual motion.

The Aptera cannot function as a car because its design only allows it to move two people under ideal conditions of weather and road surface. Small two-seater cars have been around since the 1890s, but they never catch on beyond single 20-somethings because people use their cars to move people and stuff in many different configurations. The fuel-saving aerodynamics of the car destroys all the internal space that people can use to move all kinds of things. Its three-wheel design means that even if it did have space, it would be sensitive to load balance. The design also will not function under adverse conditions. Its ultra-light body will not provide sufficient traction in heavy rain, ice or snow. High crosswinds will knock it about and could even flip it. The hybrid motor will not provide a enough heat to keep people warm in a northern winter, nor will it provide enough power to run an air conditioner to keep people cool in a southwestern summer.

In short, you can’t actually use the Aptera as a real-world car. You can’t use it to replace a humble vehicle like a Toyota Camry or a Ford Escort. You can use it to move two people over short distance in the tranquil conditions of coastal California, but that is about it.

KarenRei
10-17-2008, 10:57 PM
That's right! If it can't seat twelve, get five miles to the gallon, and carry 6,000 pounds of cargo while climbing up the side of a mountain, it's useless for all of the world's >6,602,224,175 people.

Also, in what world does this person live where "coastal California" is an easy drive? I may not live there, but I was born there and I've spent enough time there to know that it's a mixture of hills, traffic, and crazy drivers. Apparently this is what they think is "tranquil conditions"

http://www.thetimesharebeat.com/yourworld/images/bigsur-hwy1.jpg
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PTGPOD/554530~Traffic-405-North-Los-Angeles-CA-Posters.jpg

NeilBlanchard
10-17-2008, 11:02 PM
The grapes, they are sour!

Eyelawdoc
10-18-2008, 01:38 AM
Gee, I hope to use an Aptera to replace my humble Honda Insight.

No, wait my Insight is just another small two seater with limited cargo capacity that isn't "practical" because "people use their cars to move people and stuff in many different configurations". :rolleye0003:

I suppose the only thing left to do is to get my Aptera deposit refunded and trade my Insight in on a quad cab duelly long bed pick up. That way I'll be ready for most any hauling situation that may come up.:scared0008:

How about I instead keep my Insight and deposit on the Aptera and rent a limo or a truck in the infrequent instance that I need to haul a large group or load? The fuel savings from the Insight or Aptera I use for my daily meanderings should easily pay for the rental!:)

TheAeronut
10-18-2008, 07:25 PM
Yes, it is amazing just how many people think that you need capacity for at least five in order to be able to carry just a driver around 95% of the time.

Also, many of the comments demonstrate a severe (possibly studied) lack of understanding of the Aptera.

Whatever...

J.P.

jstdadd
10-18-2008, 07:29 PM
Those guys are the real fools. They are justifying any decision they made to buy their limited capacity vehicles.

I really liked the suggestion that the guy can add a trailer hitch to his Escort and then he can haul big stuff. He forgot to mention that he also needs a trailer. Why not just rent/borrow a pickup for those 'occasional needs' times?

I bought a large 6-passenger pickup truck because it filled my needs for a time. It still fills some of those needs:


Six Passengers (I used this functionality maybe 10 times in the last year)
Haul Trailer (I used this functionality 2 times in the last year)
Carry Big Load (I used this functionality 20 times in the last year)
Haul my fat butt to work and back 54 miles round trip (I used this functionality 230 times in the past year)


Now, especially since I have A SECOND 5-PASSENGER CAR WITH A TRAILER HITCH, I can offset 90% of the secondary uses of my large vehicle with my second car. I cannot haul large piles of junk to the dump with my wife's car.

So, 460 times, I made 27 mile trips one way, work and back, as a single passenger. I used my pickup truck for those 460 short trips, at 14.5 mpg of gas averaging $3.35 per gallon. Around $12 in gas (sometimes much more $$) on 230 days in the last year.

In Southern California, I am going to guess that 400 of those trips were on dry roads (probably 430 of 460, if I were to research it.) I could have done 430 of those trips on a motorcycle comfortably (maybe I would be cold on 100 of them.) So, even though I have owned a motorcycle in the past, a motorcycle for me today would be a 'strictly for fun' vehicle. I don't hold motorcycle commutes in heavy freeway traffic to meet my definition of 'fun'; 'exciting' maybe, but not 'fun'.

Given my circumstances, I expect the Aptera to be A) perfectly functional and B) adequate for over 90% of my transportation needs, beginning the day I get it.

I will miss going to the dump so much in my primary transportation, though. Maybe I will pay the neighborhood teenagers to go for me, in their pickups.

So when a couple of Southern California guys looked at 15 million Southern California commuters and decided that maybe 10% of them would be interested in a vehicle that could provide them their commute and meet 90% of their vehicle needs at maybe $0.05 fuel costs per mile, they saw a potential 1.5 million customers. I bet Harley Davidson would love to have that market!

I can hand the pickup to my son for his college commute and work needs (although the typ-1e would be a good thing for him too.) My wife, my son and I will probably use the Aptera for 90% of our needs on evening and weekends, also. I expect to displace 20,000 miles of driving per year, to the Aptera from my F150 pickup (14.5 mpg) and my wife's Escape (15.5 mpg) that are beyond my daily commute. 40,000 annual total miles of gasoline driving (or 2,667 gallons of gas) * $3.35 per gallon = $8933, replaced with the Aptera at $0.05 per mile, or $133.35 for fuel. I should be able to make the Aptera payment and maintenance with that.

Hmm...the Aptera seems to meet my needs for a third vehicle pretty well. Why have 3,000 of us signed up to buy the things, before the first one was built for production? We must all be fools - or, maybe not?

1E 1721
10-27-2008, 04:09 PM
I waffled a bit before putting up my deposit. Not so much because of the car, but caution because of the new company. Now I wish I had gotten a number somewhat lower than 1E 1721!

KarenRei
10-27-2008, 04:25 PM
Well, you'll still end up with an Aptera sooner than 99.99995% of Americans ;) Plus, you may end up getting yours before some of the hybrid owners, depending.

Welcome to the forum!

garygid
10-27-2008, 11:07 PM
Quite possibly Dec. 2009, plus or minus a bit.
Welcome!