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KarenRei
01-20-2009, 06:17 PM
Note: No real new info here, but since it's a new interview, I suppose it's worth posting:

http://www.autoextremist.com/on-the-table1/2009/1/20/on-the-table.html

Publisher's Note: Paul Wilbur is the President and CEO of Aptera (www.aptera.com), one of the most forward-thinking car companies in the world. I thought it would be interesting to do an interview with Wilbur - an industry veteran with a high-performance resume - and see what the future of American automotive transportation might look like. - PMD

PMD: You left Detroit after a long and varied career, why?

Paul Wilbur: Last summer, in the midst of $4.00 per gallon gas, I was building super-high performance Mustangs and other Ford specialty vehicles with Saleen and that concept felt pretty career limiting. I felt like I was positioned on the wrong side of the macro-economic wave and we were pushing too hard against the grain. It was fun building 650HP Raptors, but it’s not going to change the industry. And I guess, at the heart of it, changing the industry (for the better) is exactly what I want as my legacy.

In my 25 plus years in this industry, I have seen a lot of change, and I can’t say that I am enamored with all of it. For example, I grew up loving Pontiac, but Pontiac today is not the same brand that John DeLorean once fostered. Some are doing better than others. I like some of what Jeep is doing, like the 4 door Wrangler. It is spot on. Some of the other stuff, maybe “not so much”. This market is changing, and the challenge is to change with it AND protect the core that makes America and automobiles synonymous.

So let’s call my move out of Detroit - a move related to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Automobiles are my life (it’s the only industry I have ever worked in). There is something noble and liberating in the Aptera quest to make the most fuel-efficient vehicles in the world and running a new company that will change the world falls into the category of “pursuit of happiness”.

Even with gas back down to a very low $1.75 per gallon, I still believe in the basic fundamentals of moving off of fossil fuels into electric power, series hybrid drives, hydrogen fuel cells and other future propulsion technologies. If the world were not in recession right now, gasoline prices would be considerably higher. So it’s only a matter of time when we are faced with the scenario of change or die. I chose to change.

You could also say that I personally went from the highest to the lowest carbon footprint in America...in one career move.

PMD: What lured you to Aptera and what makes you think Aptera is distinct enough and that it will find its niche in the automotive universe of the future?

Paul Wilbur: The challenge of building the most efficient vehicle in the world lured me to Aptera. There is no silver bullet for energy independence in transportation. Aptera’s approach is to attack the vehicle “architecture” through aerodynamics, light weight composites, low friction components and use a powertrain “agnostic” approach. That much alone garnered my attention. Then you add the fact that we are targeting our vehicles to fit the way that people live, work and play and at a price that a larger part of the population can afford. This is EXACTLY opposite of a lot of the conventional thinking today. You have some that are attempting to shoehorn newer and higher technology powertrains into the same old architectures consequently yielding marginal benefits when the market is looking for breakthroughs. Then there are others who are making vehicles that are so far away from lifestyle of the average consumer that it is hard to rationalize their purpose in this market.

We want to be in the heart of the market and relevant. After our December research clinic, we are not worried about being distinctive. We’ve nailed that element inside and out. We delivered to the market a vehicle that has a form that is more about function and much less about styling, and the consumer gets it, and sees the beauty in it.

PMD: What is the vision for the company? And what makes the machine so special?

Paul Wilbur: The vision is to see Aptera build and sell upwards of 100,000 units a year across its full line of daily use, “efficiency” based products. This may take us the next 5 year or so but we believe that it is a realistic goal, if we stay focused.

We approach the vehicle “efficiency” as a primary product objective. It is our beginning and our inspiration. It is the reason for the unique aesthetic of the vehicle as well as the three wheel architecture. By looking at every part of the vehicle through a lens of “efficiency” from the very beginning, we maximize the potential value of every decision.

Now if you have ever driven on I-5 in Los Angeles (or I-75 in Detroit at rush hour) and watch the gridlock of thousands of cars, SUVs and trucks – all with only one person inside each vehicle, you will start to understand our vision.

Only in America can you live where you want to live, drive where you want to drive and be who you want to be. We want to ensure that we maintain these American qualities of life in the future. A vehicle like Aptera can preserve those values by virtue of its product attributes and cost proposition.

PMD: Where do you see Aptera fitting in this nation's future transportation fleet? As an "urban commuter" car, a green sports car alternative, or what? And what are your realistic projections for volume?

Paul Wilbur: I see the Aptera as the vehicle that you drive every day, (Monday to Friday for sure), and less on the weekends. That may be your daily commute, but it may also be your trip to the mall or a nice dinner with your spouse. We will leave the high performance sports cars and off-road weekend warrior business to someone else. The Aptera is the vehicle that you live with and will feel good about. Its primary mission is a daily “commuter” vehicle but as technologies improve, the breadth of the products appeal will also improve to be more of a primary vehicle, primarily in the major metropolitan markets.

PMD: My criticism of the "blue sky" new wave "green" automakers in northern California is that they're woefully short of reality and have trouble executing their vision because of their fundamental lack of knowledge in designing, building and manufacturing automobiles. Aptera seems to be different. They brought you on and you in turn have brought seasoned auto industry veterans with you. Do you view that as an essential ingredient for Aptera's future success, and how has that made a difference since you've been there?

Paul Wilbur: Yes - we would agree with that. The auto industry has existed for more than a century. Granted there are a number of things that are due for a change, but there is no way that more than 100 years of learning can be all wrong. By bringing people from inside the industry, we are bringing some of the learning that cannot be picked up in a book and the experiences that most people understand without living through it. Just think about all the engineering knowledge in Detroit. How can you replace that knowledge externally to the automotive industry? I think that automotive experience is essential to developing a new vehicle company. What we are doing at Aptera is combining that auto experience with attitude, energy and innovation of California. I think the result is where the magic happens. Our ideal mix is 50/50 because Lutz is right (making a car is a hell of a lot more difficult than people think) but we want to also constantly infuse our team with new critical thinking and new ideas that seem second nature to those that live in California, including a green mentality and the importance of creativity.

PMD: Traditional automotive advertising and marketing clearly would be out of place for this car. How do you plan on getting the word out about Aptera? Beyond going after the touchy-feely early adopter types, what's your plan to reach a broader audience?

Paul Wilbur: We agree. The first thing we need to communicate is integrity. American buyers like to know that you will do what you promise...no gimmicks, no tricks. These days, when you do that, people tend to talk about you. So, our first objective in marketing Aptera is to do what we say to the best of our ability. After that, we have to go into the market so that people can see and touch us and experience the promise for themselves. The last point is that we are going to engage them. The web is an amazing environment that is largely under-utilized in automotive marketing. Today, people can log on and touch base with people that they may not have seen in a decade. They trade recipes, catch up on gossip, and why not learn a little more about their vehicle and the people that are creating it for them. You see, since we are small, we will also be personal. That is a real strength that we have that many others do not. We have a few tricks up our sleeve relative to distribution, servicing, and our go to market strategy, but that will have to wait for another day. Thanks Peter.

mycomya
01-21-2009, 12:09 AM
I like some of what Jeep is doing, like the 4 door Wrangler. It is spot on.
Is this what he's talking about http://www.jeep.com/en/2008/wrangler_unlimited/ ?! What?!

Only in America can you live where you want to live, drive where you want to drive and be who you want to be.
He really needs to get out a little... that quote is ridiculous and it makes him sound like an idiot. If he really likes 4-door Jeep Wranglers, maybe its not so surprising he spews such claptrap. I like his 'realistic' vision for Aptera, though.
The vision is to see Aptera build and sell upwards of 100,000 units a year
Or is this just more claptrap (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/claptrap)? Faith is no longer something Aptera can take for granted...

Apt3448
01-21-2009, 01:09 AM
Mycomya,
I don't care too much for the wrangler, either, but why the ad hominem and the vulgarities? American car culture is rather unique, and that it is just what is he saying (and yes I have been out a little, thank you). And why should he not have a vision? Isn't that what he is hired for?
The interview was Ok, not a lot of news, save a little teaser at the end. Nothing that deserves the snarl, i thought.

Ardie3301
01-21-2009, 01:40 AM
Its nice to see that Paul W. and Steve F. share the vision of building a car that is, above all, the most efficient they can make it.

What comes second may be hazy, but I would hold out for economy, too. I can't tell you how many times I would've liked to buy a 19XX model year car, but by the time I was in the market, the 19XX+4 car was now bloated with unnecessary accessories and a correspondingly repugnant price tag, driving me into the arms of another car dealership.

But this is kind of *really* future thinking. Right now, I'm beginning to harbor impure thoughts about Apytera's ability to deliver what they are promising, and am keeping an eye open for happenings with the Chevy Volt, the Chrysler Circuit, Honda Insight 2, and other more mainstream plug-in vehicles that will probably be ready around the time that Aptera finally delivers.

-- Ardie

KarenRei
01-21-2009, 01:55 AM
Honda Insight 2 isn't a plug-in. And would have to be pretty radically different to be anything close to a decent EV, since it's IMA-based and can't even run its AC with its gasoline engine off. IMHO, it's probably the most overhyped mainstream car of the year, with its unimpressive 41MPG combined cycle rating.

Chrysler Circuit is a sports car. Expect a Tesla Roadster or Fisker Karma pricetag.

Volt is a competitor, though. Rather different niche, IMHO, but closer to affordable and having pure-EV operation for a fair range.

aptera1213
01-21-2009, 08:16 AM
if, IF, i cancel my aptera reservation, it will be to get this:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9167/p1020488tr7.jpg

other than that, nothing on the near horizon holds my interest...

the circuit is nice, but will be pricey...

if ford made a fiesta plug in I might check that out too

mycomya
01-21-2009, 11:56 AM
My post was not ad hominem. I didn't say Wilbur was an idiot- he's no doubt extremely smart; and his success surely comes from this and a lot of sacrifice and hard work. Naturally, I respect Wilbur; he wants to help Aptera become successful (as we do) and I don't know him personally. This doesn't give him a free pass, however, and shouldn't keep anyone from evaluating the wisdom of his public statements. This _should_ go without saying on a forum such as this.

What's a high-profile executive at Aptera doing proclaiming the 4-door Jeep Wrangler as 'spot on'? Seems _way off_ to me. Does he really think the USA is the only free country in the world? Then why does he say these things? (see his actual quote, not a highly derived and speculative interpretation of what he said). It _sounds_ stupid to me.

The wisdom of his statements suggest to me that he carries some Detroit perspectives that won't serve his new company (nor us) very well. Fair enough?

Seems I reserve the right to hold this opinion, explain the logic that led me to it, and possibly pursuade others on this forum to reach the same conclusion or at least discuss it without personal invective. Excuse me, Apt3448.

I see posts by Apt3448 and they're the same, over and over, thread after thread, finding someone to attack for one silly reason or another. It only escalates tension, is a drag and a bummer and kills any kind of healthy dialogue (time and again). Can you for once stop attacking people on this forum? Can you for once stop seeing only the worst in people on this forum?

I'm not saying to stop posting, Apt3448. Just, please, have some respect and try to see good. Drink a beer (metaphorically if not actually). I think most of us are friends- I think a better forum will be created if we strive to become better friends.

Seems people have moved on anyway. Good! Just as well!

KarenRei
01-21-2009, 12:41 PM
Re, the pro-American statements: So, you're trying to argue that you *can* go wrong by praising grandma and apple pie? ;)

It seems a truism that you can never be too pro-American when trying to sell something. Personally, that sort of jingoistic stuff drives me batty, but at least for *mass markets*, it probably sells pretty well.

mycomya
01-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Dude, I love my grandma like crazy crazy! And apple pie? Oh yeah, now you're talking!! Bring it fresh, hot, and homemade! :)

Never be too pro-American when trying to sell something? Yes, that's probably his thinking. But its outdated in the era of Bush, meltdown of Detroit, and the 'global marketplace of products and ideas' (not that 'pro-America' sentiment can't make a comeback, let's hope it does). To sell a car in the Bay Area, you can 'never be too foreign' actually; about 80% of the automobile marketshare is foreign made. I suspect this tendency predominates in other California urban areas also (especially in upscale areas, e.g., San Diego). The jingoist language is a demonstrated turnoff to what (I believe) is the anticipated customer base, in the major metropolitan areas of California.

Granted, if they plan on selling 100,000 units per year, they must broaden their base. But the first few years are critical for generating early adopter sales (in upscale urban areas) and I don't see revolutionary technology companies like Apple proffering such jingo-lingo, even after making it big. Apparently ignorant pro-America statements are more likely narrow the customer pool than expand it.

But that's just my take. My grandmother may disagree, but I love her dearly anyway! ;)

KarenRei
01-21-2009, 03:01 PM
Agreed 100% :)

Tech117
02-05-2009, 01:15 AM
We have a few tricks up our sleeve relative to distribution, servicing, and our go to market strategy, but that will have to wait for another day.

When / how do we find out more about Aptera's distribution and servicing plans? It's basically my dream to own an Aptera Dealership so any information would be great :thumbsup:

-Dave

OC-LA driver
02-06-2009, 12:39 PM
I really love this quote from Paul Wilbur as it's been the most empowering, success-propelling practice in my own career...and my biggest hindrance when I forget it:

"The first thing we need to communicate is integrity. American buyers like to know that you will do what you promise...no gimmicks, no tricks. These days, when you do that, people tend to talk about you. So, our first objective in marketing Aptera is to do what we say to the best of our ability."

There's something right with a CEO who answers a question about marketing with a statement about values: truth, honest, reliability...integrity.

mycomya
11-19-2009, 12:31 AM
It is really something else to read this Paul Wilbur quote from 1/20/2009 again, given how things have panned out. He said (as OC-LA driver notes above):


"The first thing we need to communicate is integrity. American buyers like to know that you will do what you promise...no gimmicks, no tricks. These days, when you do that, people tend to talk about you. So, our first objective in marketing Aptera is to do what we say to the best of our ability."


Paul Wilbur never grew on me and I got a lot of flak in this thread by pointing out a few reasons why.


The wisdom of his statements suggest to me that he carries some Detroit perspectives that won't serve his new company (nor us) very well. Fair enough?


I'd like to say I told you so, but man, this whole thing sucks so bad, there's just no joy in it.

butter
11-19-2009, 11:32 AM
No, but you're absolutely right. You were very prescient about Paul Wilbur; your alarm bells went off rightly so. Like you say, there's nothing to gloat about, but I appreciate and acknowledge your gut reactions.

painfully hopeful
11-19-2009, 11:50 AM
He says that "100 years of experience in Detroit can't be discounted".
Well, ever since the mid to late 70s it was obvious that the energy crunch would pose a major challenge to the US generally and Detroit specifically.
Detroit chose a different path and repeatedly ignored most high-mileage and alternative vehicle designs (including some concepts that were somewhat Aptera-like). It was also obvious at that time that quality of Japanese cars represented a major threat. They were late to the punch on both fronts and are now nearly defunct, which suggests that at least the last 30 of the 100 years of experience Wilbur cites were badly misguided ones. Coincidentally, (or perhaps not)- he indicates that his last job was in making super high performance cars and only recently figured out that this was the absolute wrong sector to be in.

Given that he does not recognize how wrong Detroit was for so long, given that he was until recently in the vanguard of the misguided muscle car crowd when many of his contemporaries had figured it out long ago, why would we expect him to be the "go-to" fellow on this new venture? Amazing- and he hasn't got the self-awareness to realize this. CEO disaster movie #666.

magnru
11-19-2009, 02:35 PM
Paul Wilbur: We agree. The first thing we need to communicate is integrity. American buyers like to know that you will do what you promise...no gimmicks, no tricks. These days, when you do that, people tend to talk about you. And when you don't do that, people tend to talk about you even more. What integrity? magnru #2783 'TYPE 2H'

SEGsby
11-19-2009, 10:52 PM
Well, now he should grasp why he's "Mr. Popular" around here right now...