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Matthijs
10-30-2009, 02:05 PM
http://www.ronin-cars.com/2009/10/obama-says-aptera%E2%80%99s-3-wheeler-is-a-car/


http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2009/10/aptera_2e1.jpg

The teardrop-shaped Aptera 2e electric three-wheeler has been officially deemed a car in the eyes of the Department of Energy.
President Obama has signed legislation making high-efficiency two- and three-wheeled vehicles eligible for the same loans the department has granted to Tesla Motors, Fisker Automotive and others to spur the development of high-efficiency automobiles. There is no guarantee Aptera will get any money, as the law only allows the company to apply for it previously was barred from receiving.
“We are excited,” Marques McCammon, the company’s chief marketing officer, told Wired.com. “There are a number of companies that benefit from this bill, but for Aptera, an American company building the world’s most efficient vehicles in America, it is especially sweet. Congress and the Whitehouse just made a positive statement in support of American innovation.”
Now that it’s in the race for a loan, Aptera is filing another application and says we’ll see the Aptera 2e electric car (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/10/2009/04/we-drive-the-ap/) on the road next year.

Aptera was among the 75 companies seeking some of the $25 billion the DOE is divvying up under the Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing Incentive (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/10/federal-loans-to-ev-startups-foolish-bet-or-wise-investment/). The program is designed to provide cheap capital for retooling old factories to produce vehicles with at least 25 percent more (http://www.ronin-cars.com/2009/10/obama-says-aptera%e2%80%99s-3-wheeler-is-a-car/#) than 2005 models. But companies like Aptera and Elio Motors (http://www.eliomotors.com/) didn’t qualify for one reason: Their cars have three wheels.

Rep. Brian Bilbray (R-California) launched a campaign in March to change the rules (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/10/2009/03/aptera-legislat/). He and Rep. Adam Schiff (D-California) drafted a measure expanding the DOE to include all “fully enclosed vehicles that are capable of carrying two adults and get at least 75 mpg.” It was tacked onto the Energy and Water Development Appropriations Act (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3183) that Congress approved earlier this month (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/10/aptera-bill/).


The law applies only to the rules for DOE, not safety regulations. Three-wheelers are still classified as motorcycles by the DOT. Aptera considered a conventional four-wheeler but found the added weight and rolling resistance cut efficiency by 34 percent. Making up for it would have required making the 13 kilowatt-hour battery 50 percent bigger, the company says.

The company sought $75 million when it filed its DOE in December, but McCammon says it will submit a new application under the revised rules. He declined to say how much Aptera will seek.
“As with our prior application, our request will center around the advanced technologies that make Aptera unique and our production facility needs for both the 2e and its bigger brother,” he said, referring to the company’s goal of offering a follow-up model down the line. The company is keeping mum on that project.
McCammon said the 2e should reach “volume production” in 2010. No word on price, but the company wants to keep it between $25,000 and $40,000.

Danny
10-30-2009, 04:23 PM
I'm very happy about the new legislation. Let's hope it helps.

The picture provides an interesting view though. This is clearly an older version, but notice how wide it is as it parks next to the curb. Cars in the background were able to fit inside the line and the curb, but it would really be a tight fit for the 2e. You could get closer, but even at that, it's not clear if it would really fit. Take off about six inches for the newer version, and it might be possible with just a little bit to spare. Still, it's definitely going to be a wide vehicle.

OC-LA driver
10-30-2009, 04:37 PM
Yes, there's been lots of discussion about width, and attention paid by Aptera.

Also when parking at a curb of some height, add a couple of inches space to your calculation of width when parked. In cars you don't mind if tires touch the curb, but in this vehicle I won't want to hit the wheel skirts.

mycomya
10-30-2009, 05:53 PM
With such congressional and presidential support of the 'Aptera Bill' its very hard to believe that they won't get the DOE loan. I appreciate how 'on their toes' Aptera is on this issue. Their updated application was submitted literally minutes after this legislation was signed. Nice!

Width is still a concern, though, as much as its been addressed on this forum. I don't see much evidence from the latest renderings that the width has been reduced significantly. This remains a potential deal breaker...

danieloneil01
10-31-2009, 06:00 PM
Yes, there's been lots of discussion about width, and attention paid by Aptera.

Also when parking at a curb of some height, add a couple of inches space to your calculation of width when parked. In cars you don't mind if tires touch the curb, but in this vehicle I won't want to hit the wheel skirts.


I make sure to park a good distance in my car now from curbs and other cars in parking lots. And in that pic the Aptera looks really easy to park with the large windows. You can get within 3" of the curb because the field of view to the wheels is so good.

Holz
11-01-2009, 08:45 AM
Does anyone know how, or if, this affects NHTSA rulings, and how NHTSA would interpret the new legislation and administrative rules with regard to potential impact on motor vehicle laws in individual states? I think there has been adequate discussion that it would not impact California drivers and HOV status of Aptera, but would it affect "Autocycle" rules that some states have put into effect that would prevent the use of three-wheeled vehicles on highways and high speed (>40MPH) secondary roads?

JimmyDreams
11-01-2009, 10:59 AM
Does anyone know how, or if, this affects NHTSA rulings, and how NHTSA would interpret the new legislation and administrative rules with regard to potential impact on motor vehicle laws in individual states? I think there has been adequate discussion that it would not impact California drivers and HOV status of Aptera, but would it affect "Autocycle" rules that some states have put into effect that would prevent the use of three-wheeled vehicles on highways and high speed (>40MPH) secondary roads?


The law they just passed changed the definition of 'vehicle' as far as how that particular funding law defined them.

To my knowledge, the NHTSA definitions are not affected at all by this particular definition of 'vehicle'. The new law only concerns definitions of it's own language....it doesn't change any other law out there dealing with 'vehicles'.

KarenRei
11-01-2009, 12:10 PM
Jimmy is correct. Now, that said, I wouldn't be surprised if this helps spur action on changing our regulations for three wheelers.