Lease listing for Aptera's building

[KarenRei]

http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=16298668&SRID=746449567&StepID=101

3151 Scott St., Vista CA

The countdown for Aptera to become a P.O. box company is underway.

[speculawyer]

So this means . . . what?

The company is dead?

They need to get rid of existing build space in order to pick up some former auto factory so they can qualify for a government loan?

[SEGsby]

Um, where is the PPX shell being shipped to from Michigan, for assembly?

[Matthijs]

Um, where is the PPX shell being shipped to from Michigan, for assembly?
To Dr. Detroit and Mark Twain's houses?

[aptera1213]

Maybe Steve can lease it and move out of his garage?

:)

Gavin

[Matthijs]

http://www.loopnet.com/Attachments/3/4/7/xy_34763F89-BAD4-4E65-AA8D-C9103CBB103A__.jpg

Really sad to see the building without the Logo...

[KarenRei]

Maybe Steve can lease it and move out of his garage?

:)

Gavin

We can dream. ;)

[Matthijs]

Is Aptera now officially a mailbox/PO box company?

[aptera1213]

Don't they have their original space? It is small, but should fit the few employees left and probably also have room to put together one PPX to take to the x-prize.

Gavin


Maybe we will get an update on Aptera looking for a new space...and in which state.

[NeilBlanchard]

Wow, this a bit of a downer... We had heard it was gonna' happen, but when it actually does, and confirms the direction things seem to be going, it is still a letdown.

So, will they go back into the older building -- or will they move to Michigan? That would be weird, since all the depositors are in California (well, most of 'em...).

Will the next newsletter explain what is going on, or will we get official news some other way?

[randyd]

Will the next newsletter explain what is going on, or will we get official news some other way?

We can hope, but I don't expect them to be at all forthcoming. They will probably keep things under wraps until they have a replacement building, or at least enough good news to create a positive spin. For example, I would not be surprised at all to be told: Great News! Aptera Motors is moving to the vehicle capitol of the world: Detroit!! Better for our DoE loan and lots of experienced, cheap labor. Blah! Blah! Blah! Companies never publicize their bad news.

[BrianK]

Maybe I've been drinking the tea, but hasn't there been word from Aptera that they need to be in a larger facility for the DOE grant?

[evmavin]

Maybe I've been drinking the tea, but hasn't there been word from Aptera that they need to be in a larger facility for the DOE grant?


Oh, but imagine the politics and personal relationships that could drive this decision. This company should be in Silicon valley not where it is or outside of CA, it could reap many rewards that way.

[KarenRei]

Don't they have their original space? It is small, but should fit the few employees left and probably also have room to put together one PPX to take to the x-prize

No, they lost the Loker site a good while ago. I mentioned that in my first expose.

It's really simple: you can only run a company overbudget with no deliverables and no investment for so long.

[aptera1213]

Ah, I didn't know...

So where is Paul and Marcus offices? And where will they make the PPX for the Xprize?

Gavin

[Apt3448]

Not unexpected, but this really hurts. So sad.

[randyd]

So where is Paul and Marcus offices? And where will they make the PPX for the Xprize?

Good question. I understand Steve's garage is already taken. ;)

Seriously, it won't take very much space at all to build 1 2e at a time, especially if the body parts arrive fully assembled. I supposed a small team could do it in one of those one-garage-door-wide shop spaces. Those are all over the place and they cost a small fraction of Paul's salary.

[Matthijs]

Ah, I didn't know...

So where is Paul and Marcus offices? And where will they make the PPX for the Xprize?

Gavin
Um, where is the PPX shell being shipped to from Michigan, for assembly?
To Dr. Detroit and Mark Twain's houses?

Like I said...:apterarear:

[johnvall]

Looks like this is it.

[10.5]

Everything suddenly makes sense. They're switching headquarters now because the building was loyal to Steve.

They'll probably outsource everything.

[evmavin]

They'll probably outsource everything.


Including the deposits.

[Matthijs]

Everything suddenly makes sense. They're switching headquarters now because the building was loyal to Steve.

lol where did you get that quote? Love the humor on this forum!

[NeilBlanchard]

lol where did you get that quote? Love the humor on this forum!

http://www.apteraforum.com/showpost.php?p=45280&postcount=10

[plainar]

Yep Loker is no more. At night Scott St is half dark. A bigger local building is nice spin by MM and PW. Detroit is where the Detroit people want to be. PW can go back to his wife.

[KarenRei]

I just can't get over that he never moved his family down. Almost seems like he never planned to stay in CA for very long.

[OC-LA driver]

Lots of executives don't uproot the family for the first year or two on the job. CEO turnover is insanely high, especially in start-up situations.

Also some families put down very deep roots in their local social networks and don't have any desire to "fix what ain't broken" i.e. starting over somewhere else just in case it works out long-term.

I'm not speaking of anyone's family in particular here. I'm just explaining my view that leaving the family behind for a year is NOT a sign of disloyalty. I actually think it's a realistic view of a new CEO job, and a compassionate view of family dynamics.

[SEGsby]

Oh, the CEO's family is not here in California with him? I didn't know that...

OC makes some good points. But oddly enough, wasn't there something in a recent Aptera Newsletter saying how much they LOVED being in California? And Michigan is freakin' cold in the winter! Why wouldn't they want to be in sunny CA?

Based simply off prior 'Pablo' double-speak here; I suspect you're right, Karen.

Maybe PPX WILL be assembled in Michigan? How can we find out? That would be very telling, I think.

[OC-LA driver]

I grew up in Ohio. Many people LOVE it there, and can't imagine leaving all their friends (and in many cases, their extended families who continue to live there). I didn't love it there :biggrin: BRRR!

If PW were to move his family here, that would be a big indicator of loyalty and confidence in his being with Aptera in So Cal for a long time. But for the first two years, leaving family elsewhere is NOT an indicator of disloyalty IMHO, it's entirely neutral and a personal decision.

There may be deep friendships, kids in excellent schools, and maybe even health or other family isues that a strong social network in Michigan helps them address.

Moving here = positive indicator.
Not moving family here for a couple years = no indication either way.

[Matthijs]

http://www.apteraforum.com/showpost.php?p=45280&postcount=10

Thanks Neil and 10.5 :biggrin:

[SEGsby]

OC:

I'm a former Buckeye myself, so I totally appreciate the points you've made. :)

But the company fabin' the PPX bodies *IS* in Michigan. I'm left wondering where it's going for final assembly, if their old building is up for lease now...

Maybe that Aptera body won't need to go very far in Michigan. How far away is Paul's house, from the facility?

Seriously.

[evmavin]

I wonder how Apple would have turned out if it moved to someplace like Michigan? This is getting interesting.

[KarenRei]

Lots of executives don't uproot the family for the first year or two on the job. CEO turnover is insanely high, especially in start-up situations.

Just seems wierd to me -- perhaps it's how I was raised. I grew up in a family that followed my father around through his various promotions. A couple places, we didn't live very long (for example, we lived in Nederland for under two years). But my family never would have considered having my father be away from us for that time. If it was a job worth taking, it was a job worth bringing your family with you.

[dmtaub]

Okay, I've read this thread a couple of time, checked out the listing, went back and read the newsletters, and sat around and thought long and hard about why the building would be up for lease other than the company doing the following:

- Leaving CA
- Going out of Business
- Following Steve :)

Then it finally dawned on me. Now, I'm not sure if Aptera owns this space or rents it. If they own it, it would make sense that with the downturn in the economy, the lack of funds, and a larger building that is not going to be total use, they would divide the space and rent out a portion to another company.

I am in the finance business and it is very common for larger buildings to have multiple tenants. I would, going with the positive spin, that the lease listing may be to split up the building for multiple companies to work in there.

It is just a thought, and if I am way off, please let me know.

[aptera1213]

Aptera is a renter....

Gavin

[dmtaub]

Aptera is a renter....

Gavin


I stand corrected...

Or, being super positive, maybe the owner letting them renegotiate their lease and add another tenant.

[palmer_md]

I stand corrected...

Or, being super positive, maybe the owner letting them renegotiate their lease and add another tenant.

according to the listing the entire building is empty. You can rent all or part of the building. Photos show its empty.

http://reappsfiles.breb.com/filecabinet/Property/003423/3151scott-q.pdf

[aptera1213]

Thanks for the link....Nice big (sigh, empty) space. Surprised Aptera Team B thought they need bigger for start up. They could pump out quite a few PPX cars in that space.

This was the building they moved up to from the locker site for building cars for launch right?

I guess you dream big or go home....or dream big and go home.

[BrianK]

Just seems wierd to me -- perhaps it's how I was raised. I grew up in a family that followed my father around through his various promotions. A couple places, we didn't live very long (for example, we lived in Nederland for under two years). But my family never would have considered having my father be away from us for that time. If it was a job worth taking, it was a job worth bringing your family with you.
As with most things, it's relative (imho). My family was the opposite - my dad went out ahead of the rest of us, sometimes many months before. In one situation, it prevented the whole family from moving from GA to NY to TN over the course of a year - instead, we just moved from GA to TN & I got to finish out elementary school with the kids I'd grown up with. My dad, however, lived in NY after starting a new job, was looking for houses, then got an offer from a company in TN he couldn't refuse. The job in NY was very stable & meant to be long term... in fact, there was a good bit of litigation involved (that the TN company covered at hefty expense) to get him down to TN as contracts had to be broken in NY. Point being, even at a cushy job, not everyone will pick up and move the family immediately.

[KarenRei]

Thanks for the link....Nice big (sigh, empty) space. Surprised Aptera Team B thought they need bigger for start up. They could pump out quite a few PPX cars in that space.

This was the building they moved up to from the locker site for building cars for launch right?

I guess you dream big or go home....or dream big and go home.

Even the Loker building wasn't a "locker site". It just wasn't really big enough for production of more than a couple cars at once.

[NmGfan]

I wonder how Apple would have turned out if it moved to someplace like Michigan? This is getting interesting.

Probably like Aptera Motors did in San Diego County.

:happy0025:

[aptera1213]

Even the Loker building wasn't a "locker site". It just wasn't really big enough for production of more than a couple cars at once.

Ha, nice pun for you, poor spelling for me ;)

As for production of a couple of cars at once...sounds like heaven right now compared to....nothing.

Sigh

Gavin

[palmer_md]

Thanks for the link....Nice big (sigh, empty) space. Surprised Aptera Team B thought they need bigger for start up. They could pump out quite a few PPX cars in that space.


That photo only shows a little more than half the building. Look at the map and you'll see that there are two walls in the building. The photo was taken from the far right of the map and you can see to the first wall which is a little more than half way across the building space, and on the right side of the picture you can see the second wall which is about 3/4 across the building. You'd have to zigzag to get all the way across the open space.

[drivin98]

So, like, is Aptera officially totally homeless now? Where do the employees work from?

[plainar]

I grew up in Ohio. Many people LOVE it there, and can't imagine leaving all their friends (and in many cases, their extended families who continue to live there). I didn't love it there :biggrin: BRRR!

If PW were to move his family here, that would be a big indicator of loyalty and confidence in his being with Aptera in So Cal for a long time. But for the first two years, leaving family elsewhere is NOT an indicator of disloyalty IMHO, it's entirely neutral and a personal decision.

There may be deep friendships, kids in excellent schools, and maybe even health or other family isues that a strong social network in Michigan helps them address.

Moving here = positive indicator.
Not moving family here for a couple years = no indication either way.

You sound like you know the PW family. PW has been here 18 months, yet you've given him 2 years to get his family here. 18 months is too long for a family to be separated that doesn't want to be. His family not being here is an indicator of his disloyalty. Most companies would have made it necessary for their families to relocate, but not the BOD of Aptera. They have had more than enough time to finish out the school year, sell their homes, etc. What's worse is several Detroit families have sacrificed everything to come and work for Aptera, but not the CEO. I think this is selfish, shows terrible leadership and is a negative indicator.

[KarenRei]

I have to agree. It's one thing for a regular employee to leave their family (although even that sounds extreme for me), but for the CEO? For a year and a half? That just screams, "I think I'll probably be going back to Detroit before too long." And you *don't* want a CEO who believes that. If your CEO believed that when he took the job, (s)he thinks your company is going to fail. And who wants a CEO who thinks their company is going to fail?

[Apt3448]

You sound like you know the PW family. PW has been here 18 months, yet you've given him 2 years to get his family here. 18 months is too long for a family to be separated that doesn't want to be. His family not being here is an indicator of his disloyalty. (...) I think this is selfish, shows terrible leadership and is a negative indicator.
Bleh. I don't know them, and I bet you don't know his family context either. Bashing PW for his work at Aptera is at least Aptera related, conjecture about his family life is below the belt.

[BrianK]

You sound like you know the PW family. PW has been here 18 months, yet you've given him 2 years to get his family here. 18 months is too long for a family to be separated that doesn't want to be. His family not being here is an indicator of his disloyalty. Most companies would have made it necessary for their families to relocate, but not the BOD of Aptera. They have had more than enough time to finish out the school year, sell their homes, etc. What's worse is several Detroit families have sacrificed everything to come and work for Aptera, but not the CEO. I think this is selfish, shows terrible leadership and is a negative indicator.
I hear what you're saying, but family comes first. Aptera is not a sure thing - even when Steve was at the helm. I would imagine that Paul's pretty well setup in MI & wouldn't want to leave until he knows he can permanently be elsewhere. Obviously, when he arrived, he wasn't pleased with how things were running - he wouldn't have changed the whole operation if he was. I can't say that agree with everything he's done, but if I were in his shoes, I would have done the same thing, re: family; even if I would have done things completely differently, re: Aptera.

Most companies would have made it necessary for their families to relocate
is that even legal?

[SEGsby]

I worked at a medical facility years ago, where a newly hired department head left his family in another city, to work at this new job. He stayed there alone for a couple years, but we discovered that his family was perfectly fine with him NOT living with them.

It eventually came out why... But it's true, everyone's family situation and priorities are going to be different. Sometimes vastly different than one might ever imagine, in fact.

But what I find interesting though, is the one place we know doing fabrication on PPX that appears to be moving forward, is in Michigan. Even the steering wheel is from a car designed in Detroit: the Chevy Malibu. And I'm sure the good and sagacious Dr. Detroit, would perhaps think that something as awesome as the Aptera, could only be, and maybe SHOULD only be; made in Detroit.

So many things seem to be pointing there of late.

The Aptera building in California is now gone. Where the PPX is being built and readied for the X Prize Competition, should shed some light on what the real longer term plan has been, IMHO.

[acterp]

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/oceanside/article_3bcb2243-f89f-55e5-abc9-48c7ef05a677.html

[wainair]

You never know what is up with his family still being in Michigan. My sister for example refused to leave her hometown to follow her husband to the east coast. It would have ment a big promotion for him but she would have nothing to do with it. He stayed in Brampton and regrets it every day. They would have had a much better home down east and a much better income but she's so bullheaded it never happened. My point is you never know what is really behind what he does and really it is none of our business.

All I care about is when the car will be produced, and I think that should have been in Oct09.

[lapwing]

We are, and should be, judged by our actions, and not our declarations!

A few of you get the fact that Paul Wilbur et al was here to get fat off the seed money, have some fun, kick some ass, play the game, and sink the Aptera!

Aptera as we dreamed - has passed.

[10.5]

You never know what is up with his family still being in Michigan. My sister for example refused to leave her hometown to follow her husband to the east coast. It would have ment a big promotion for him but she would have nothing to do with it. He stayed in Brampton and regrets it every day. They would have had a much better home down east and a much better income but she's so bullheaded it never happened. My point is you never know what is really behind what he does and really it is none of our business.

All I care about is when the car will be produced, and I think that should have been in Oct09.


What's wrong with the east coast?

[aptera1213]

Having no building to build Apteras will make it hard to, you know, BUILD Apteras.

Hopefully we get news soon of their new location. If they don't have a new, bigger building (after all they left the last site as it was too small for their 10 year plan) before the X-Prize, well they are toast. Nobody invests in a car builder who has no place to build cars.

Gavin

[randyd]

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/oceanside/article_3bcb2243-f89f-55e5-abc9-48c7ef05a677.html

Nice catch acterp!

Laura Marion, chief financial officer for the Vista-based company, said this week that Aptera has looked at a large building in Oceanside's Ocean Ranch Business park that was formerly owned by Ashworth, a golf apparel company.

Of course, Laura is still the CFO. But this is the first time I have seen her quoted by a reporter.

Marques McCammon, Aptera's chief marketing officer, said that the company now has a final design ready for production, but said the company is still working on locking up private financing and is waiting to hear on a federal loan for high-mileage cars.

I don't know if it is true, but I would like to believe that they have a chance at getting both private capital and a federal loan.

So does the fact that Aptera is shopping for a new facility mean that its financing problems are about to be finished? McCammon said he does not want to jinx anything by commenting.

"We are hoping it's sooner than later," he said.

Great non-reply. He probably winked when he said it. :fighting0030:

[aptera1213]

Well wouldn't it be interesting if Aptera moves from California to Detroit while Fisker is moving from Detroit to California?

Fisker thinks it will help to have all it's employees in one area.

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/02/06/fisker-automotive-moves-michigan-jobs-to-california/

Gavin

[plainar]

You never know what is up with his family still being in Michigan. My sister for example refused to leave her hometown to follow her husband to the east coast. It would have ment a big promotion for him but she would have nothing to do with it. He stayed in Brampton and regrets it every day. They would have had a much better home down east and a much better income but she's so bullheaded it never happened. My point is you never know what is really behind what he does and really it is none of our business.

All I care about is when the car will be produced, and I think that should have been in Oct09.
I too very much care about the car getting produced. The example of your sister is how most families feel when they're separted, regretful. PW should be regretful aboout this and lot of his decisions, but I doubt his is. I know PW and have met his family a few times. Being witness to his mistakes at Aptera is a whole experience I'd take back, well maybe some wisdom on how to steer clear of his likes in the future. It is PW's leadership style to do as I say, not as I do. He's asking his employees to make a bigger sacrifice than he and that's terrible leadership. His terrible leadership has had four rounds of lay offs. ANY lay off is a poor relection on the managment. When the car doesn't get built, this will be one of may clues we'll back on. It's applicable to this forum as any post about where's my car.

[evmavin]

Even if they get a pile of money next week and then a facility signed a week later, at best it would be extremely aggressive to expect 10 cars a week before the end of next year and that's with a good working "team". Sadly, it seems they have lost most of the good talent as well.

[aptera1213]

"We are hoping it's sooner than later," he said.

My goodness...Did he really say that. Ha.

Yes we all hope it is sooner than later. Later = Aptera is "see ya later". Aptera would be no more.

Sigh.

Gavin

[lapwing]

Even if they get a pile of money next week and then a facility signed a week later, at best it would be extremely aggressive to expect 10 cars a week before the end of next year and that's with a good working "team". Sadly, it seems they have lost most of the good talent as well.

You are quite correct on all accounts, which is why last month when Aptera stopped paying their rent, you could very reasonable conclude that Aptera is dead.

It is possible, that the intellectual property Aptera produced may be of value to some "White Knight", but I don't expect the US government, to fund a small 3 wheeled niche vehicle, that at best might sell in the thousands, much like Brammo's excellent but expensive motorcycle. We would buy one, because we recognize what it is, despite the cost, and practical limits.

[maestronius]

It is my guess that PPX will be assembled at Energetx's facility in Mich. The x-prize competition is in Mich. Why ship the body out to Cali, assemble it who knows where, then ship the vehicle back to Mich. for the judging. Easier to ship the parts to Mich. and use all that extra space Energetx has and assemble it there. Hence, no use rushing for a building out in Cali, better to find the perfect fit.

[wainair]

What's wrong with the east coast?

Nothing, and she's a fool for not going. She's afraid to move from her hometown and holds on to past glories that are long past. Had I been her husband I would have been down east faster than you could blink. He turned down a six figure salery in a great community that is beautiful with one tenth the crime rate of dump they live now. The point of my original thought was not that the east coast was bad, but just maybe Pauls wife is nuts too like my sister. LOL

[Matthijs]

Of course, Laura is still the CFO. But this is the first time I have seen her quoted by a reporter.

http://www.sdbj.com/industry_article.asp?aID=78723347.7655453.1767467. 748206.46445604.855&aID2=135950

http://apteraforum.com/showthread.php?t=2615

[drivin98]

Here is the old Ashworth building on Google maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Ocean+Ranch+Blvd,+oceanside&sll=33.177969,-117.357717&sspn=0.028843,0.055747&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Ocean+Ranch+Blvd,+Oceanside,+San+Diego,+Cali fornia+92056&ll=33.21205,-117.304217&spn=0.003604,0.006968&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.212004,-117.304312&panoid=aJv1O__fvEPPqswwxqPuKQ&cbp=12,3.4,,0,-2.92) that article said they were looking at.

[wishfulskeptic]

So was Paul already laying claim for work done by others or just more sloppy reporting?

http://www.sdbj.com/industry_article.asp?aID=78723347.7655453.1767467. 748206.46445604.855&aID2=135950

"Aptera President and CEO Paul Wilber says he’s raised $30 million from such investors as Idealab, Google.org, and Esenjay Petroleum. Recently the company embarked on a Series D round to raise $75 million to take the aerodynamically-inspired car through launch."

In any event, sadly I stand by my earlier posts. These guys are done. I don't think they can compete in X-prize. No engineers left. You don't assemble a prototype, you integrate it and that takes the knowledge of the people who designed it because much of integration is problem solving for the unanticipated. They can't raise money, PW is hopelessy out of his element in that deptartment. They have a slim hope that thay can go into hibernation until maybe DOE money comes but then they have to practically start over. The technical talent will be gone. Off to Michigan with the remainder of the design to be mangled by 30 year Detroit veterans who gave you the Pinto, the Aztek and the Gremlin. You can continue to debate endlessly about who is to blame, and I'm sure you will, but these guys are done. What a shame.

Less Wishful, more Skeptic

[KarenRei]

Let's start a list of other people's work/ideas that Paul has falsely taken credit for creating at Aptera:

* Front wheel drive
* Idea to have a horizontally-split shell
* Idea to have roll-down windows
* Getting pulled-over in DC by a curious policeman
* Raising the money that the original team raised.

This is just off the top of my head.

[evmavin]

So was Paul already laying claim for work done by others or just more sloppy reporting?

http://www.sdbj.com/industry_article.asp?aID=78723347.7655453.1767467. 748206.46445604.855&aID2=135950

"Aptera President and CEO Paul Wilber says he’s raised $30 million from such investors as Idealab, Google.org, and Esenjay Petroleum. Recently the company embarked on a Series D round to raise $75 million to take the aerodynamically-inspired car through launch."

In any event, sadly I stand by my earlier posts. These guys are done. I don't think they can compete in X-prize. No engineers left. You don't assemble a prototype, you integrate it and that takes the knowledge of the people who designed it because much of integration is problem solving for the unanticipated. They can't raise money, PW is hopelessy out of his element in that deptartment. They have a slim hope that thay can go into hibernation until maybe DOE money comes but then they have to practically start over. The technical talent will be gone. Off to Michigan with the remainder of the design to be mangled by 30 year Detroit veterans who gave you the Pinto, the Aztek and the Gremlin. You can continue to debate endlessly about who is to blame, and I'm sure you will, but these guys are done. What a shame.

Less Wishful, more Skeptic


Based on the way the team communicates I would have to lean into this camp, besides the lack of skills for a startup the culture fit is all wrong for this product. Add the integrity issues and poor management skills and no amount of money will solve their problems. Too bad the company can't be restarted fresh but the timeline for delivery also was important for success. If the company fails it won't be because the product was not worthy of funding or could not be sold or marketed, those two points COULD have been the easy parts.

[BryanSR]

Here is the old Ashworth building on Google maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Ocean+Ranch+Blvd,+oceanside&sll=33.177969,-117.357717&sspn=0.028843,0.055747&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Ocean+Ranch+Blvd,+Oceanside,+San+Diego,+Cali fornia+92056&ll=33.21205,-117.304217&spn=0.003604,0.006968&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=33.212004,-117.304312&panoid=aJv1O__fvEPPqswwxqPuKQ&cbp=12,3.4,,0,-2.92) that article said they were looking at.

BTW .... There IS a Composite company within a few blocks of this building off Del Oro... it is http://www.appliedcomposite.com/

[randyd]

Let's start a list of other people's work/ideas that Paul has falsely taken credit for creating at Aptera:

Meh. I'm tired of hearing how bad the current management team is. We know already. We know. What constructive action could possibly come of repeating the same old management malfeasance?

[KarenRei]

Meh. I'm tired of hearing how bad the current management team is. We know already. We know. What constructive action could possibly come of repeating the same old management malfeasance?

What constructive action could we do in any regard?

[randyd]

The only thing I can think of to do is wait. I know it is not satisfying to do nothing, but that's all I can think of right now. It's bad for your mental health to obsess about things over which you have no control.

[aptera1213]

Mmmm...I wouldn't call doing nothing "constructive".

Now one can argue that "bad mouthing" is destructive. But doing nothing is not productive. It is stasis at best I guess.

But it can be protective, as you mention.

Productive/Constructive could be:

Finding some investors to add funds to Aptera.
Finding a cheap building for Aptera to lease.
Convincing the BOD to get a strong fund raising Team C in charge.
Finding that Team C for the BOD.
Finding a way to get the DOE money approved.
"Knee-capping" some of the other X-prize teams to limit the competition :)

Any others?

Gavin