Thanks RAL

[SEGsby]

I would venture that most folks did, but this does leave little doubt.

[Rembrant]

Originally Posted by SEGsby

BTW... Was running some housekeeping operations and discovered this:

I am not comfortable with you using your admin powers to make a point. I also think it was a breach of privacy for you to post the IP's.
Disagreement's cool. Vigorous debate, love it. Flame wars and snooping, not so much.

[Grendal]

Originally Posted by Rembrant

Disagreement's cool. Vigorous debate, love it. Flame wars and snooping, not so much.

RAL started the flaming but I agree that it's gotten old. If RAL had just posted another flaming attack and this information was posted as a response I think it would be justified. But to post it after RAL has begun to post with a little more civility and useful information is just inciting more animosity.

Dr. Detroit and Mrs. Dr. Detroit (RAL). They can still be two different people, living in the same house, using the same computer. Just a thought.

[SEGsby]

It's certainly a thought, but highly unlikely that 3 other Troll Accounts share RAL's registration IP address.

@Rembrant: Remember when you first joined here? Snooping is what I do, and I verify if folks are spammers or not. As for flames; truth is the best flame of all. And only the registration IPs were shared. A number of other IPs have been used over time by the good Dr.

Some of them, quite interesting.

But it would have been a great disservice to keep the fact of RAL being Dr. Detroit, a secret from everyone. Trolls often exhaust a user name's "credibility" after causing chronic forum drama-- only to do it again and again, under another guise. "Real Aptera Lover" fits this abuse profile.

[aptera1213]

I will say that most sites don't allow, or at least heavily frown on, multiple accounts from the same IP address....it just lends itself to potential problems.

I do wish Aptera would do a couple of things to make this all moot.

One, activate your own forum. It would help aptera greatly and is really quite cheap to do....heck most of your mods will be doing it for free. And these free mods won't be taking time and effort from the making of the 2e. Cheap easy fast, and would allow Aptera to have a bit more control over the site.

Two, have a real and honest and open presence here...none of this hidden member, multiple fake accounts stuff. Open honest adult...it will work wonders.

Gavin

[EV4ALL]

Originally Posted by SEGsby

It's certainly a thought, but highly unlikely that 3 other Troll Accounts share RAL's registration IP address.

@Rembrant: Remember when you first joined here? Snooping is what I do, and I verify if folks are spammers or not. As for flames; truth is the best flame of all. And only the registration IPs were shared. A number of other IPs have been used over time by the good Dr.

Some of them, quite interesting.

But it would have been a great disservice to keep the fact of RAL being Dr. Detroit, a secret from everyone. Trolls often exhaust a user name's "credibility" after causing chronic forum drama-- only to do it again and again, under another guise. "Real Aptera Lover" fits this abuse profile.

Justify it whichever way makes you feel better about yourself. Simple fact is you came out looking petty and immature after the last exchange so RAL succeeded. If you behaved like an adult and ignored it like most of the rest of us did, RAL would have no power gotten frustrated and left but instead you sunk to his level. You call it troll hunting or public service, some see it as abuse and it alienates people from wanting to contribute which is certainly not the role of an admin. So RAL achieved his goal, one fewer person feels good about the content of this forum as a result.

[aptera1213]

Wow...really? You feel less likely to post or come here because a mod found out that multiple accounts are likely from the same person?

We do that checking at my Mac site. I'm sure almost all real forums do the same. It is an important way to keep sites open and honest.

Now the only issue may be that Segs talked about it here. Me? I would have just deleted the extra accounts and taken the IP down to one address...But then I would be accused of censorship.

As it is, I'm letting two accounts ride on that same IP...they could be husband and wife, or father and son. But history has shown at all my other sites that it is highly likely to be the same person just playing two roles (or more).

And how does that help any site? It doesn't...and often it hurts them.

Gavin

[BryanSR]

Originally Posted by EV4ALL

Justify it whichever way makes you feel better about yourself. Simple fact is you came out looking petty and immature after the last exchange so RAL succeeded. If you behaved like an adult and ignored it like most of the rest of us did, RAL would have no power gotten frustrated and left but instead you sunk to his level. You call it troll hunting or public service, some see it as abuse and it alienates people from wanting to contribute which is certainly not the role of an admin. So RAL achieved his goal, one fewer person feels good about the content of this forum as a result.

Another TROLL????????
I have been a member here for a LONG TIME & I have NEVER hid my information...

[SEGsby]

It seems odd that you're supporting the actions of an identified, multiple account TROLL-- while attempting to re-frame the role of a mod as somehow more desirable to ignore whatever they do in the forum?

Your statements appear to be outside the realm of what is reasonable.

Sorry to disagree with you... But please feel free to participate here at whatever level you are comfortable with.

Originally Posted by EV4ALL

Justify it whichever way makes you feel better about yourself. Simple fact is you came out looking petty and immature after the last exchange so RAL succeeded. If you behaved like an adult and ignored it like most of the rest of us did, RAL would have no power gotten frustrated and left but instead you sunk to his level. You call it troll hunting or public service, some see it as abuse and it alienates people from wanting to contribute which is certainly not the role of an admin. So RAL achieved his goal, one fewer person feels good about the content of this forum as a result.

[aptera1213]

I'm not so sure it was a troll post as opposed to just not fully understanding what happens at most forum sites.

All forum sites protect themselves to a certain degree. All sites will make sure posts are mostly on the "up and up."

We have had at my mac site a member make multiple accounts and then start huge post battles...really upset the site till we realized that it was one guy having this huge argument with himself. Other similar things have happened where suddenly the same argument is made by 5 different "people" who ended up one person.

On the internet you are allowed a lot of freedom. You can post under a pseudonym, you can post as numerous people etc etc etc...and you can usually say just about anything and get away with anything. On the other hand, you leave "fingerprints" behind. So most of the time you can get away with anything, but at the same if you get "caught" you really can't suddenly complain.

To keep our server working at max performance we make sure (as best we can) that spam isn't getting through, that we don't have multiple accounts and all that. Do we find all the spam? Mostly. Do we catch all the multiple accounts? Not at all...but we do find some from time to time.

Is there ever a reason for multiple accounts? Sure...and if you need one (forgot the user name or password, have two people on your desktop) just let us know.

But if you are running several accounts to try and "play" the boards, well that is your choice, and you could get away with it...but no complaints if you are found out and the accounts deleted.

That's just how the internets work

Gavin